I think the word "cash" is come from tamil word kaasu(refer coins).i am not sure but this was my opinion. ), Climate : Kilamai (Its a word that defines seven days of the week representing seven planetary bodies including Sun and Moon, also means "under its control"). Synonyms and related words Isn't it. Seer: Seer (to make things right) The words Juri, Justice also should also be from this origin, "Seer Thooku" means "To take things right". (transitive) The object of this phrasal verb (the piece of clothing) can go in the middle or at the end of the phrasal verb (see the first two examples) He took his hat off. Boil down Simplify, reduce to the essentials. How does a small change in the English spelling do any help? I have not removed them from the list, thus far. Get this in your head. Find more ways to say went off, along with related words, antonyms and example phrases at Thesaurus.com, the world's most trusted free thesaurus. Learn basic words and sentences in Tamil language with the help of audio and video. Mundru, moon, as well as Muc (as in Mukkudal) means 3 So if some one feels that there is not enough evidence to add to the mainlist can be put in this list. We can still read the old texts — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC), I said Tamil is the root stock of Malayalam, but "sharing linguistic roots" would be a generalization of that, which could mean many things (eg. Malayalam branched out from same language( whereas ours is still the same). I also request DoctorBruno to let go of this instance of incivility and get on to editing. I will include the external links after I figure out how to do that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC), The reply by Aravind for this message has been given at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin#Let_us_let_go_of_this_instance_of_incivility_and_get_on_to_editing Doctor Bruno 13:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC). I feel the main plus of Wikipedia over those dictionaries is that the information can come from anyone who knows the thing. Dumb head get this straight. just crying hoarse that someone is insulting your country and your president is in my view, juvenile. Do you mean to say that a book is not authoritative if it does not have ISBN. I wish all of the etymology pages were like this. The topic was whether to move those words away into a separate article in Malayalam. This way we can offer an oppurtunity for further research by the interested individuals. Go on. In the place of something previously mentioned; as a substitute or an equivalent: Having planned to drive, we walked instead. all these languages being descendents of proto dravidian, all these languages can equally claim themselves to be the 'Proto Dravidian'. 2. Ukrasa paksi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:4ACD:1302:1:0:F162:7B3B (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC), Anchor word is originated from Tamil word Nanguram. Cribananda 18:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC), 1. If it is found that (and I have considerable doubt) kuruntam is derived from sanskrit, I would say that it should be said so in the article or the word should be included in the page List of English words of Sanskrit origin instead, keeping in line with the tone of the tamil page. 1. We have done so, you have not.--. WHen we say that words are lost from a language, it means that the language is dying. In any case (even if the origin is in fact, from a Dravidian language), "aaru and anju" to give orange is a bit much, though I do find it very appealing being a native speaker of Tamil :) Now coming to the fourth question, When Mr.X questions my fact, How can I show a book written in French (for example) to Mr.X (you have told that books in other languages are also reliable) when he does not know French. THe word "Nal" has NOT been lost from Tamil. The oldest spoken language in South India was also Tamil. -Lokesh C. That the word copra is a binaminal of co+aravam co means king and aravam means snake now its calling in Tamil That the word of 'Rajanagam' (it means king of snake) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:1734:2051:1:1:9B0D:F7EA (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC), Could the person (Nohat?) explode; to burst forth or break out suddenly or noisily; to go forth, out, or away : leave… If you don't know something, just shut your mouth. It means: - You can leave now - Go! As far as numbers are concerned, all the numbers of Proto-Dravidian were used in Tamil 20 centuries ago and are still used in Tamil. Dear Mr.DrBruno, get one thing clear. Even the word tol means nine in tamil as in Thol ayiram. 3. The very argument what you say itself proves that Protodravidian is tamil. Contextual translation of "meaning" into Tamil. You have insulted even the Government of India by saying that the Presidential order is Speculation, for which we demand an apology. Words take on different meanings in different parts of the world, but that doesn't change the word's lineage.--Hraefen 19:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC). Doctor Bruno 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC), A user by the name of Nohat goes on making false claims in this page. ‘He remembers how as a 12-year-old boy, he would run to the bunkers every time the siren went off and bombs exploded next to his house.’ ‘The alarm clock went off and Nicole slammed her hand on top of it.’ Go off the rails definition is - to lose control and start to behave in a way that is not normal or acceptable. I apologize for any hard-to-understand/wrong content that I have written. The /l/ sound is very well used in tamil in the words naalawathu (fourth) and naalvagai (four kinds). He never said Tamil lost the /l/ sound in general, he said it lost it in the word for "four", which according to Dravidian languages#Numbers (itself based on -- you have to scroll to the bottom to get to Dravidian), the Tamil word for "four" is naangu, which has lost the /l/ of Proto-Dravidian *na:l. Angr/talk 17:07, 15 … (The word 'RICE' coming from tamil Word ' arisi'(arisi=a(RISI=RICE)).I am not sure.this was my opinion), I have created a subtopic rove, ramble, move about without a fixed course: He tends to wander aimlessly throughout the city. stead (Ä­n-stĕd′) adv. So yes, I'm going to sound like a Wikihippie, but: Or, as I remember from a children's book of my mostly forgotten youth, "no fighting, no biting." Not deviating from the article's issue, for the moment I think the existing one would be apt. the language of this people: the state language of Tamil Nadu, also spoken in Sri Lanka and elsewhere, belonging to the Dravidian family of The translators for the British during the colonial rule in India were Tamil. 'Gonna' is a verb form, and the word here is a noun. as for 'FOUR', you might have caught User:Nohat on the wrong foot there. If you are not satisfied, you can ask for more proof. ‘He is sad that there are no efforts to translate Tamil works into other languages.’ ‘However, I consider myself to be Sinhalese, as I have no comprehension of the Tamil language or culture.’ ‘At the same time I wanted to show that Tamil films are not inferior to other language films in content and technical brilliance.’ This page also provides synonyms and grammar usage of went … Needless to say, you can either have your cake on the table or in your tummy, but not both. a brain has, the smarter the person is., creases, etc.) There is only one Tamil from the time it had evolved and there is no old/modern Tamil boundary. 1. But I haven't seen any proclamations, either. transitive (kick someone off something) informal to force someone to leave a place or activity He was kicked off the course for failing to hand in any work . ", And Aravind has summed up the controversy very well with very important remarks, which I give here. 7. Does an administrator in Wikipedia automatically gets rights to call others by insulting terms and also brand a question asking for academic credentials ("level of knowledge regarding Dravidian Languages") as "stupid", To whom should we report this. That can go. The etymology does mention Tamil—"Cf. What right does he have to say that Tamil has lost the /l/ sound when it has not lost. - You're done. Doctor Bruno 18:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC), THe present problem is not with etymology of few words. So it is undisputable that they must have a common origin. You should stop yourself with asking for proof. Let me clear the situation for you. Cry is ultimately from Latin. In fact Ondru as well as oru means one, Meaning: Continue in extent; Example: The meeting seemed to go on forever. But if you are adding unwanted insulting words, we have a right to ask you for an apology. What right does he have to proclaim a word as "lost". wandered synonyms, wandered pronunciation, wandered translation, English dictionary definition of wandered. What is your level of knowledge regarding Dravidian Languages. Brothel /Prostitute : Parathai (meaning Prostitute) "Para" means Spread and not restricted. Girl: Kilathi (Lead women, Rich Girl) It's like you saying, " since some old English words are not in use today, new English is not the same as old. Best wishes, Clive (Ref:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one#Etymology_4), Other disputed words like orange are no exception. to express anger or annoyance at what someone has said or done Marie was bent over the table now, reading, her … Well, it's been about 10 months, and there are no sources for any of the "words currently debated", so I am removing them and placing them here until reliable sources can be presented for them: These words have possible Tamil origin, but there is no source for them. I can arrange for a letter aksing explanation delivered through the embassy along with the relevant orders. Admins or any one should not know what they are talking. Because "origin" itself means starting/ultimate point of something. Doctor Bruno 16:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC), Our proof is the Government Order issued by the Union Government of India that Proto Dravidian is only Tamil. ], also see the Dravidian Etymological Dictionary 2nd Edition Oxford Claredon Press, Oxford 1984, What if the book does not have ISBN. The problem is, Nohat's comments were uncivil, although borderline. We need more research on this. What does went on expression mean? Cribananda 01:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC), ) from miḷaku black pepper (transcribed thus in OED, miḷagu in AHD, and milaku in M-W) taṇṇīr, water (transcribed thus in OED, taṇ, cool + ṇīr, water in AHD, and tanni in M-W), is a complete waste. get off definition: 1. to leave a place, usually in order to start a journey: 2. to leave work with permission…. Nohat (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC), The OED states traces a Sanskrit origin, but Bharatanatyam is a typical Tamil classical dance form today practiced primarily in Tamil Nadu. COMMON WORDS FROM TAMIL: What is the solution for this.Doctor Bruno 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC), "Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page", and not for adding imaginary BASELESS WRONG Facts with a malicious indent by unqualified persons. Such theories are not required in this article.Vayalir (talk) 18:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC). You really DON'T get it, do you? Tamil purists believe that the Tamil language comes from Tamil Brahmi Language and claim it the oldest in the world whereas many believe and claim Sanskrit is the origin of all Indian languages whose impact has probably shown OED Sanskrit as the origin. go off definition: 1. It is obvious. Pandal: Panthal, Friend/Favour/Free : Parinthu/Pattru/Parivu (Parivu word in Tamil means to show favour or affection), Mad: Madamai (Mada = Moving mind, Not Stable Mind), Oral/Oration/Orate/Oracle : Urai ( Tamil it means To Speak, To give some news ), Villain: Ethiri (In Tamil it means "One who is with the Bow"), Orange:NaarthanKaai (A fruit with smell) (Naatram in Tamil means smell) ("Naa" sound in Tamil means "We Get hidden" like in Naakku, Naai, Naatram, Naakku etc..). Tamil has been on its own from its evolution. But they are authenticative as for as words derived from tamil are concerned. Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page, not for childishly demanding apologies for an insult that you perceived during the course of an argument that doesn't directly to pertain to English words of Tamil origin. What if the book does not have ISBN. This gentleman who does not have any knowledge about Dravidian Languages should not write such imaginary facts. Nohat (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)." : That "OLD Tamil" theory, wherein both languages are claimed to originate from the so claimed "Old Tamil"). Meaning: Continue an action; Example: I think I’ve said enough now; I’m not sure I should go on. Type in the box below (eg. Toggle the box to turn on/off typing in Tamil. Definitions by the largest Idiom Dictionary. I removed the following items, which had been added: 1) I believe those words are not borrowed from Malayalam, and are "directly" borrowed from Tamil. Whereas the reverse assumption cannot justify the actual Tamil word "ondru". ANd we have ample proof to say that it is from Tamil. Translation history will soon only be available when you are signed in and will be centrally managed within My Activity.. a brain has, the smarter the person is. I shall wait for the proponents to provide a reasoning for their inclusion.... Learn to speak Tamil through English or any of these 10 Indian languages; Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Marathi, Odia, Punjabi and Telugu. It can be done, but then its title cannot be Malayalam origin. End: Antham(Antham means End, or near to the destination), Thick/Thin: The sound "Thi" in Tamil itself means "condition", Thinai, thilai, thikai, thirai, thiram, thiru, thiri, thisai, thikal etc are others words that defines the condition of the object/place. There are more than 1000 books in India that say that Tamil is the oldest Language. Get a went off mug for your papa Jerry. Dad: Thanthai : (May sound odd, but many languages including European has Tata, Tadah etc... for father., in Tamil "Than+thai" means "Keeping within his possession"). And why are the arrows pointing the wrong way?--, The French, Spanish, Arabic, Persian and Sanskrit are agreed upon. It is because of the language's age. How can a language(Tamil) be spoken as it's own root stock? I think you're oversimplifying the relationship between Tamil and Malayalam, but given that there is no, I don't claim to have any special knowledge of these languages, but I did read. What is Wikipedia and other admins going to do for such high handed behaviour. off the hook phrase. How can you insist on ISBN numbers when 95 % of Indian books do not have itDoctor Bruno 15:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC), My request to other administrators is to kindly tell whether the above question is vandalism. I say that Malayalam came from Tamil and Sanskrit some 10 centuries ago. The word tekku is tamil which is root of malayalam. The report's so long, I BOILED it DOWN into a two-page summary. I thought that this information can be given as a foot note or a minor point in this page. Should definition: You use should when you are saying what would be the right thing to do or the right state... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples ‘Oh, before that Wesley and I went to Michael's home and mooched beer off him.’ ‘Still unable to sleep well in his unfamiliar surroundings, David headed for the kitchen at two in the morning, hoping someone had left an unemptied coffee pot from which he could mooch a leftover cupful.’ Even the Government of India have acknowledged tamil as the Classical Language. That means we had Tamil for more than 20 centuries. What does off the hook expression mean? To celebrate, the player took his shirt off and whirled it … How to use go off in a sentence. ‘The actor says he is now able to speak in broken Tamil.’ ‘He is not a racialist, he can speak Tamil, and he knows the village scene and its characters well, and was not afraid to show his emotions.’ ‘However, most of the concerts are performed in languages other than Tamil.’ ), Fall or Feel : Veel (Veel means Falling , but in some cases it means to fall in love), Fire : Viraku (Firewood or Fire source in Tamil, this comes from the root "viri" (To open up breaking, up etc... the process of collecting dry wood from the trees, see below the word frissure), Fault/Fail : Varumai/Variya ( "Varumai" or "Variya" , Means Poverty / Lack of returns), Finger : Viral (Some little sound resemblance is there, this word comes from root "Viri" means to spread, to break open etc...,), Default : Thavaru (In Tamil it means "crime", ""wrong or acted wrong" and also "Thavirthal" for "missing or defaulting""), Delicate : Thalir (Tender, The newly grown leaves), Battle/bataille /Battalion : Padai ( In Tamil Padai means Army), Axe: Ari (Ari means "To take in, To cut") Axe=KOdAri, Bar: Paarai (Paarai means Large Rocks hidden inside and not easily moved), Arms: Aran (Aran in Tamil, means Tools for protection, often refers the King's fort, also Aranmanai=palace), Arm: Karam(Karam in Tamil, means hand ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2016 (UTC), The word 'letter' is derived from tamil word 'எழுத்து'. If a light or a machine goes off, it stops working: 2. The reasons I give that your contention is wrong (a) If there was such a language, then we should have literature in that language 10 centuries ago. Human translations with examples: smp, falx, க à®± ச ச ல , nh தம à®´ ப à®° ள , dro tamil ப à®° ள . These are almost certainly not of Tamil origin, as they have been in English since Middle English, and except for cry since Old English. Petal: Ithal Arvind has given a number of sources at appropriate places above. "The only authorities on the origins of English words are etymologies written in English." Come off definition is - to acquit oneself : fare. For such irresponsible behaviour we demand an apology. ‘He tried to stand up to get in a better position, gasping, but then the Urg's grip went slack and he limped over, dead.’ ‘After a slack tuning (to go easy on the new strings), the instrument was pounded on by a machine to break the key mechanism in evenly.’ It is only due to the Tamil-illiteracy of a good segment of population due to low living stds. Tamil: [noun] a Dravidian language of Tamil Nadu state, India, and of northern and eastern Sri Lanka. Why I gave the example of Bible is just to illustrate that many books may not have ISBN. Atleast one gentleman went to an extent of telling that a word does not exist in tamil and now you say this. "OLD" by "Words Originated Indirectly through Malayalam". It is still used in Tamil in the day to day workds Naalavathu (meaning fourth) and Naalvagai (meaning four kinds). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vayalir (talk • contribs) 13:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC), I thought since wikipedia is an open source, may be any one can contribute their knowledge to improve the encyclopedia. A term coined by Donald Trump on his show "The Apprentice" even though bosses used it all the time before.Now anyone who watched five minutes of it thinks it's THE ABSOLUTE SHIT and uses it to say "YOU SUCK!" The general thought is that the more surface area (wrinkles, creases, etc.) What is your qualification and academic credentials as far as Dravidian languages are concerned, Since you have said "NO" to the second question, the first question becomes irrelavant. One cannot repeatedly make filthy comments and bluster edits about something unknown to the person.Vayalir (talk) 14:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC), Nohat, based on your writings, I see that, you don't have any qualification to speak in Tamil. I know that there is a policy in Wikipedia regarding that, but the reason I am asking is to ponder whether that policy has been actually followed in this article, or was it that one book (or source) ALONE was adhered to and the other source summarily ignored. Definition of went on in the Idioms Dictionary. Cribananda 06:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC), 90 % of Indian books DO NOTY HAVE ISBN. This itself proves that the origin is Tamil. He is shown as a charioteer, notably when he is addressing the Pandava prince Arjuna character, symbolically reflecting the events that led to the Bhagavad Gita – a scripture of Hinduism. to go crazy. Although the runaway royals stepped down … Sudden : Udden (Immediately), Street: Theru (again you have to cut the S :) ). They do not have ISBN. In preference; as an alternative: yearned instead for a home and family. The Arabic in-turn had learnt the numeric system from the east(meaning India). Doctor Bruno 12:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC), I think the orange origin is extremely suspect. Therkkan - deccan in English Doctor Bruno 16:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC). Otherwise, it should be cross-listed with Sanskrit with notes at both.--, Orange < Naranj (French)< Naranja (Spanish < Naranjah (arabic) < Naranga (Sanskrit) < Narangai (Tamil) from naran (fragrance) + gai (fruit), No, a book does not NEED to have an ISBN to be authoritative, but on Wikipedia we NEED to cite sources that can be checked by other Wikipedians. The "Naal" is still used in Tamil and has not been lost. Capture: Kaipatru, [In Tamil "Ka" means to Gain/know something, kai, Karam is Hand etc. But we don't have any such proof. (Note that I did provide (in this page) justification for why 'ginger' /must/ be included; however, my citation seems to have been deleted) Atnadar Mar 25 2005, (The word 'ginger' come from tamil word 'inji'(inji/gingi/ginger).i am not sure.it was my opinion.). Should you have a category of "Words derived from a dravidian language". If any word in Tamil matches with English and the word has a long history, then the origin has to be mostly of Tamil origin. Tamil language are purely speculation" Do you have proof that Tamil is NOT the oldest language. Human translations with examples: eedaga, thanam, perima, ப à®° ள , secrecy, kudaletram, apo ப à®° ள , efw ப à®° ள . (Ka+ra=Takes + Gives), Leg: Kaal (Just inverse it) in Tamil "Kaa" means support. The apology IS FOR INSULTING WORDS. By the way, you have not answered my questions. Solicitors went from Vettri - victory But we cannot tolerate high handed insulting sentences proclaiming false facts. How can some one term my question as "stupid". Definition of Tamil in the Definitions.net dictionary. Learn more. Meaning: Like less; Example: Ever since falling off my bike, she’s gone off cycling to work. ‘He had looked at her, in a gaze full of meaning, and nodded.’ ‘She could tell that the piece that was being written before her in Elaine's delicate but rushed writing was full of meaning for the girl.’ The fact that Malayalam was separated from Tamil from 10th century is well known by both tamil and keralite people because of sanskrit influence by namboodhiris. 2. A member of a Dravidian people of southern India and northern Sri Lanka. If the Tamil typing is on, type in phonetic English and it will be automagically translated into Tamil. Did you ever face any situation where you immediately wanted to note down the meaning of any English word in Tamil but were not able to do so? It is not similar- it is infact the right way to speak even today. went on phrase. My concern is "how can nohat (or for that matter anyone) tell that the word Nal (or for that matter any word) has been lost from Tamil, where as it is been still used in day to day life. What is the ISBN of the gospel written by Luke and Mark in Sheep Skin. Instead of having the explanation that 'cash' is ultimately from Latin, I think the word should simply be removed. Tamil(M-T) is the source of Tamil as well as Malayalam. I have asked a simple question to one user Nohat at this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin If I have some free time this weekend, I propose to split the article into three sections: (a) words generally accepted as having been entered European languages from modern Tamil, (b) words which entered European languages from Malayalam but ultimately come from Old Tamil, and (c) words for which a Tamil origin has been suggested but is not universally accepted. Isn't it enough if we mention Malayalam in the explanation of the word(which is already there). Lake : Kulam (Latin "Lacus") in Tamil its inverse and Ku+la = Take inside + land refers to pond or lake. Malayalam is probably a pidgin evolved from south-east-india(Tamil) because Tamil kings ruled Kerala(language Malayalam) till the 10th centuryADVayalir (talk) 09:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC), It is incorrect that Tamil and Malayalam have a common root stock. Meaning: Depart; to leave; Example: He went off without a word. How to use go off the rails in a sentence. Most of the Indian Books do not have ISBN. To put in a specified position or arrangement; place: set a book on a table; set the photo next to the flowers. See more. Please do not bite people who are yet to get well-versed with Wikipedia policies. Corundum as mentioned here is from kuruntam (Tamil). A stupid person; it refers to the lack of surface area on an individual's brain. Most Indian Books do not have ISBN number. Hole : Kuli (Ku+li=Take inside + Leaving the surface), Son: Magan (Here the sound is different but I need to highlight that in Irish and Scottish "Mac/Mago/makko" refers to son), Sun : Sen (May not be the source, but Sen in Tamil comes to mean, "attractive" or "Bright", SenjGnayiru is common term to refer "Bright/Red Sun), Food/Feed : Pindam or from the words oon/oottu /. Very interesting etymology here, nevertheless. adj. And Tamil is the origin of South-Indian languages. 4. 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